Curse

Racthoh · May 22, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Having hero + henched the majority of missions on hard mode, moving onto vanquishing with similar success, and receiving positive feedback from guildies I thought I would share what I have been using on my both my warrior and monk's heroes. Note that my monk's heroes haven't been used to the same extent as my warrior's heroes, however their worth has shown in both the Underworld and Fissure of Woe hardmode on multiple occasions.

I will start with the monk builds because I just love the way they play and the effectiveness that the heroes have using them.

General Morgahn

Depending on the area, I will swap out Aggressive Refrain for Hexbreaker Aria. Only change I have made thus far when playing with him.

I have had people questioning the use of The Power Is Yours! but having experimented with the paragon elites in various builds it is my favourite by far. The only time the energy loss becomes an issue is when the hero will use it at the end of a battle, and in most cases will not have enough energy at the end of the fight to cycle the Aria and Ballad to maintain his echo. To avoid this, you can disable The Power Is Yours! and micro it as you see fit, disable it as the fight comes to an end, or after he uses it force him to use Lyric of Zeal -> Signet of Synergy (6 energy from leadership, 8 from signet use) followed by Go For The Eyes (another 6 energy return). This will compensate almost the entire loss of the degen caused from the skill.

When forming groups, I tend to favour an all caster team with only one toon with a higher AL to take aggro. There is less of a chance of latching onto multiple groups when everything can attack from a range. It also makes it easier for shouts to hit the entire party, and gain their maximum benefit. Lyric of Zeal unfortunately isn't too helpful for the henchmen as they have no signets (the ones I use anyway) however the other hero builds that I use with my monk do reap the benefits quite nicely.

Between fights, cycle Aria of Restoration and Ballad of Restoration to maintain Aggressive Refrain (the 25 energy is a pain to put up at the start of each fight, ask any paragon).

Razah

Nothing too special here, but it works well nonetheless. Again, as I choose to favour a party with ranged capabilities you can expect the party to be fairly close at all times. Destruction will in most cases hit whatever melee foes you will be facing (or at the very least draw out a few attacks from foes) and Life will provide a possible 100 point party heal every 20 seconds. When battles go ugly and you're the monk those big heals do make a big difference.

Splinter Weapon simply destroys mobs, especially when they all ball around one heavily protted targeted.

The ability to pre-cast it on the entire party before engaging a mob makes it superior to Spiteful Spirit and Searing Flames (in my opinion). Considering weapons can't be stripped, the damage isn't affected by armour level, and keeps your elite slot free, Splinter Weapon has a lot going for it. My only beef is when Razah uses it on kiting monk henchmen; you just want to slap him.

Norgu

I play around with his elite a lot depending on the area. Most of the time I stick with Power Leech since the AI is amazing with interrupts and it's on a 10 second recharge (returning 7 energy whenever the hexed foe uses a spell helps keep the energy up). For the later points of Elona and the Fissure of Woe, Expel Hexes works very nice. Abadon and condition heavy areas, Cautery Signet.

The only issue I have with Power Leech, Leech Signet, and Power Drain is that there is no order in which Norgu will use them each fight. He will choose one at random it seems to use on the first spell he sees. It's great that he will interrupt whatever he sees, but you don't get any energy from Power Leech when he keeps using his interrupts on the hexed target!

But, as the fight progresses on and the other two interrupts are on recharge this doesn't become as big an issue.

Hex Eater Signet > Deep Freeze. On roughly a half recharge, making it quicker than Deep Freeze recharges it makes those Rain of Terrors easier to deal with. That is unless Norgu doesn't interrupt it. In general it is useful against any AoE hexes, but against water snares it does shine nicely.

Images of Remorse and Clumsiness are there to help with some additional degen/support damage. Everything attacks in PvE, so you can always count on Clumsiness triggering on whatever he uses it on. Even though Images of Remorse lasts a mere 9 seconds, most enemies don't have a lifespan that long anyhow. And if they do, oh well... 5 energy and Norgu has plenty to spare.

Dartakc of Kyi (aka my monk)

My odd little monk build that is workly quite nicely in Hard Mode. If Spiteful Spirit is effective with the increased attack rate of enemies you can only imagine the kind of energy returns I'm getting with Defender's Zeal. Actually, I'm sure you can imagine considering I'm using both Divine Boon and Zealot's Fire on the same bar; 8 energy spells are fun!

Like my heroes, I have a single signet to reap the benefits of Morgahn's Lyric of Zeal. Granted you could use one of the smiting signets but with a 5 second recharge, Signet of Devotion guarentees that it will be available when the shout is used.

The bar is fun to play, as it keeps you alert on both the red bars and spreading your hex as often as possible on targets that aren't being focussed on. Take note that Defender's Zeal requires a successful hit to trigger the energy return, so spells like Aegis and Reckless Haste don't benefit you all that well. If need be, Zealot's Fire can be swapped out for Protective Spirit since it is hard mode and anything beating on a squishy is going to hurt. When playing the bar, and you find energy becoming an issue, canceling Divine Boon is always an option.

My monk has been limited to those three builds as of now, since I don't play with him as much as my warrior since the release of hard mode. My warrior's builds I don't like as much but they get the job done... eventually. I've tweaked them when repeated efforts at a particular task wasn't proving effective (Ruins of Morah HM was a pain to micro and play for masters).

So onto the warrior....

I've tweaked with hero monk bars a lot, thankfully not having to rely on them heavily for the 6 man areas of Tyria and Istan where only one monk henchmen is available. Heroes suck at prot, period. Anyone saying otherwise must have some secret build they're not telling anyone because they don't have a build. They are far better at making the red bars go up vs. making them go down slowly.

I have two bars... the second bar I only used when I had to use both monk heroes (friends, guildies, alliance mates taking henchmen spots).

Dunkoro and Tahlkora

I actually have the elites mixed up as Healing Light would work a lot better on the bar with enchantments.

I tend to disable Vigorous Spirit and use it only on myself as warrior. With an IAS stance, the little bit of healing adds up over the 30 seconds that it lasts for. Shield of Absorption and Healing Seed aren't used all that well on their own, but in those odd times that they are without any microing it does make a world of difference. And they can always be pre-cast as you charge into the fight as a warrior.

I don't like 10 energy skills on my monk's bars; even when I did make them play prot I would give them Expel Hexes over Divert Hexes. Monks are the last member of the party that can run out of energy without there being a complete wipe of the group; make sure they can manage themselves in the long run.

General Morgahn

A combination of offense and defense, favouring the casters more than the physicals since they need more protection. Defensive Anthem is great, even better when he decides not to use it when Lina or Klim just used Aegis. A hard res, damage support, conditional deep wound... he plays the bar as well as I could expect.

Master of Whispes

My minion master who does just that; makes minions. That is all he is there to do... and survive. When it comes to hard mode, the minions have the tendency to die quickly and there won't always be enough bodies. Shambling Horrors guarentee you're getting a two-for-one on any corpses, and Jagged Bones helps to keep the minion count up just as well. Bone Fiends are simply the standard, even with the soul reaping hit and their 25 energy cost, they're just too good to pass up. And again, since I favour the ranged troops they fit in quite nicely.

I don't use a minor blood; one blood skill on the bar and it already lasts longer than its recharge. Vitae rune for some health to make up from the superior death. Flesh of my Flesh is my favourite hard res. 0 recharge, and if whatever he res dies right away he gets the 13 energy from soul reaping.

Zhed Shadowhoof

I don't use Searing Flames, I don't like Searing Flames, I don't know why. I prefer Mark of Rodgort being easy on the energy for when battles go long, and I can swap to a fire weapon, or the majority of henchmen wanding to trigger Mark of Rodgort for constant burning. This has worked for me for all of Hard Mode providing constant degening, and shown a lot of worth in the 4 man areas of Ascalon. And since I usually take Cynn/Orion along, Mark becomes that much more useful.

Razah

Swapped out Shelter for Flesh of My Flesh in Tyria. Enemies don't hit as hard as in Cantha or Elona.

Some people say Shelter dies too quick but it's better than being wiped by a boss's AoE. The recharge does hurt, but you can always cast it well enough ahead of time to have it nearly recharged as you engage. The spirits provide additional damage (or take the attention away from the enemy), and splinter weapon as described before just owns a lot of face.

My warrior himself doesn't use anything special; Dragon Slash with Shield's Up! and Watch Yourself! then attack skills. Nothing special really, just there to deal damage.

Comments and feedback are welcome.

LouAl · May 22, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Good info. My heroes do tend to use prot fairly well (not perfect). I use a full prot/divine bar for them and it generally works just fine (RoF, SoA, Shielding Hands, Shield of Regeneration, Mend Ailment, Holy Veil, Smite Hex (3 points), Res - you can also take out hex removal for leech sig and/or power drain). Again, they don't play it perfectly, but they do fairly well.

How well does your Master of Whispers use Taste of Death? I was under the impression that the hero AI didn't like to kill it's minions.

Baba_Beast · May 22, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

good job with the builds it's very tough to set up a good hero build.

like I said:"some people invent 1 build to farm while others invent 4 different to fit with heroes"

I just want to have some info about what heroes to use with who? What are the builds you use for waht missions? para,monk,mesmer? para,ritu,monk?

and also I want to know if there's a build that works better for me (the human) or you just put any build cause anyway the heroes will own?

Racthoh · May 23, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by LouAl

How well does your Master of Whispers use Taste of Death? I was under the impression that the hero AI didn't like to kill it's minions.

I've found they will use if they're really, really close to death. Sadly with the spell having a 0 recharge you would have to watch the bar to see if they hero will actually use it. I tend to keep it on there as a "just in case" skill because when the minion master dies in hard mode there is a lot of trouble for the party. Worse case scenario, I micro the skill and heal him before it gets too late.

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Originally Posted by Baba_Beast

I just want to have some info about what heroes to use with who? What are the builds you use for waht missions? para,monk,mesmer? para,ritu,monk?

The top three heroes are the three I always use on my monk (monk bar being the 4th). As far as priority is concerned (if there are humans in the group), I would take Morgahn first for the party support, Razah second for the damage support, and Norgu last for the interrupts.

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and also I want to know if there's a build that works better for me (the human) or you just put any build cause anyway the heroes will own?

I still play my warrior as a warrior; my main focus is damage so 16 to weapon mastery is a must. I'll put tactics to 12 for Shield's Up! and Watch Yourself! to provide more passive defenses to the group on top of the paragon support. Since you spots are limited, especially for most of Tyria, you want to provide as much support as possible to those in the healer position without sacrificing your main role. You have 32 skill slots; lots of room to get creative.

Div · May 23, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Great hero bars. Very curious how the heroes decide to use healing light. Do they cast it on anyone, or check for enchants? I'm not sure about the priority system with that skill...

Zena Starlight · May 25, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

I was wondering when you use your monk and their heros, what henchmen do you use?

rista blodorn · May 31, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Racthoh, just wanted to say thanks for posting the builds. I've been going crazy in hard mode trying to find groups in Tryia. I'm trying to rack up titles on my ele so I used the monk builds along with a basic broad head interrupt ranger in Dragon's Lair today and had no problem completing the mission and bonus. Hardly felt like hard mode at all. Previously with a couple of PuGs we couldn't even get out of the first room. After flaming out a bunch of time on Hell's Precipice w/ incompetent PuGs I think that will be my next conquest just need to figure out what hero/hench combination to take with.

For anyone curious, for Dragon's Lair I ran an earth ele build, brought the hero's mentioned above and for hench I brought the necro, little Thom, the mesmer and Lina. The entire thing actually went smoother then when I took a PuG to get bonus in normal mode about a week ago for my protector title.

Batou of Nine · May 31, 2007, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Well, honestly i like about 75% of what i see on the builds. I definitly see some good choices in there, then still just a little bit i'd change in terms of preference differences...

MM
I have found using Jagged Bones with Shambling Horrors is kind of redundant, and since it is @ 25 sec recharges, the hero is forced to spam Animate Bone fiend more, and taht is 25 energy per spam! I find popping in Bone Horror in place of Shambling helps alleviate energy needs since he now can spam a much lower costing minion with the same functionilty as Shambling via Jagged Bones. Other then that, all his bar (except taste of death) is the same as mine...

Paragon
Overall, fairly good setup for synergy and support. I do like ur blend of offense and defense in the second setup!

Monks
Your smite/prot build looks fun! Probly a good mix to help keep fairly sustained support. Your healing builds im not really a fan of though, in terms of sustainment. Healing Light on a hero i found very draining unless you dedicated a lot into energy management skills/support, which isn't worth it. And the Heal/Prot build is descent, but imho, i don't see it sustaining for very long.

In your pure heal build (Healing Light), i'd suggest dropping Healing Whisper and Healing Touch. One big reason, you never want ur monks wasting time chasing allies just to get close enough for a half range/touch heal, they are really only viable options for a human player. Dwayna's Kiss or Words of Comfort could be an option (dependant on hex/condition heavy areas) or I suggest a bit more for emanagement; options like: Signet of Rejuvenation, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Divine Spirit, etc. This way u may be able to sustain a Healer hero longer. I'd also just use a different Elite. Healing Light is not that big of heal and can be easily be outhealed/spammed more through other non elites. I would choose a LoD, WoH, Blessed Light or even Boon Signet/Signet of removal... Healing light is basically Orison made into an elite unnecessarily adding energy cost and conditions to it.

Your Heal/Prot build (Word of Healing), i would stick in a GoLE + HP or LoD setup along with the protection skills. I find group heal or buffing to any degree is often needed in HM, additionally, if you put in at least one skill for a little energy management, you could stick in Prot Spirit, usually VERY handy in HM. Again, dont bring Healing Touch. I'd actually drop Healing Touch, Orison and Shielding hands in exchange for Sig of Rejuvunation/Divine Spirit, Dwaynas Kiss/Words of Comfort, and Protective Spirit.

All that typing, but it all boils down to, id only change 1 or 2 skills in each heal build, the rest is golden, so not bad! lol Just some ideas

Mesmer
Winner! Gotta love interrups on heros, can never go wrong. Your overall support damage and hex removal ideas seem right on to me!

Ele
Meh, whatever floats ur boat! hehe. SF in PvE just makes things ezier is all. Its all preferrence really. SF + Mark of Rodgort is just plain fun with lots of MS' and other fire sources flying around. That build in general is a basic old skewl nuker...worked then, still prolly works now.

Anywhoo...so tahts my take on your builds I like your ideas and just offered a few suggestions. All in all, just my opinions

. I didnt comment on the Rit, cause those builds are actually fairly basic; one more channeling focused, one dmg support with protection support... close to builds i often use

So good job on posting all those builds! I am sure lots will find the ideas enlightening and new players will be given a good direction in which to take with their heros! Thanks! and i hope my opinions were constructive (not destructive

)!

Cheers!

EDIT:: Changed my wording on my opinion about ur pure heal build, as i thought it was Blessed Light, not Healing Light. Oops. New opinion about the elite all-together. i would completely change it

rista blodorn · Jun 01, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Just a quick note to say I used the paragon, mm and mesmer builds to take out ice caves mission and bonus and basically killed everything that moved just for the heck of it. Only real challenge I had was in the area around Evennia there are a lot of roving patrols and my hero/hench group aggro'd extra groups couple of times forcing me to retreat and regroup but if I had studied their movement patterns more closely I would have had no issues completing mission at all. 3 more missions to go to get that guardian title.

Racthoh · Jun 02, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Great hero bars. Very curious how the heroes decide to use healing light. Do they cast it on anyone, or check for enchants? I'm not sure about the priority system with that skill...

They're not good at Healing Light; they're bad at enchantments. From what I've noticed concerning monks is once your health drops below what their DF bonus would heal for, the AI is informed to make the red bar go back up. In which case, once something starts taking a bit of damage, the hero starts to throw off enchantments on the target since they will heal that little bit of health. If the target continues to take hits to the point where a heal + DF would heal you to full, they'll use one. Heroes tend to be pretty good about not running up to me and using Healing Touch (although Danika is quite fond of doing it in Eternal Grove), thus leaving my hero with one of two options; Orison or Healing Light.

It explains why the first spell from Mhenlo is usually Healing Breeze; you're missing health equal to less than what his DF would heal for but not enough for any of his healing prayers to heal to their full potential. Use Chilblains, equip a double-vamp weapon, and watch how quickly a prot monk will try to keep you up.

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Originally Posted by Zena Starlight

I was wondering when you use your monk and their heros, what henchmen do you use?

Tyria: Mhenlo, Cynn, Eve, Aidan.
Cantha: Haven't touch it with my monk just yet. Erys Varsburg, Danika, Cynn, and I believe Sheena (the vile henchmen) for Echovald Forest when I do. I'm not familiar enough with the luxon area, but from what I remember Argo, Daemon, Sister Tai... and whatever that earth henchmen's name is. I really hate not being able to use the ritualist henchmen because Razah loves to overwrite every weapon spell with Splinter Weapon.
Elona: Sogolon, Cynn, Herta, Mhenlo.

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Originally Posted by rista blodorn

After flaming out a bunch of time on Hell's Precipice w/ incompetent PuGs I think that will be my next conquest just need to figure out what hero/hench combination to take with.

16 water with ward against harm, 9 earth for ward against elements/melee, attunements for earth and water, GOLE, Ice Spear, and a res sig. I think that was the big key to victory in that mission, 10% morale boosts across the board.

As their are 0 monks in this mission, you simply have to have enough damage to power through Strip Enchantment, Aura of the Luch, and Shadow Strike from the titans. Pack loads of defense; there is a lot of damage being tossed around.

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

MM

All he really does is stand around and wand so his energy is never really an issue. I wish he wouldn't use Jagged Bones on the shamblings, but like Splinter Weapon, in the times when it is used correctly it helps keep the minion count up.

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Monks

The half-range/touch isn't so much of a concern since I always bring along a full team capable of doing their job from a range. The only one who can't be hit as a result is myself, but I'm rarely the first one to start dropping because I carry the highest armour level. Razah drops Union for a party wide Shielding Hands, and Shelter for a party wide Protective Spirit; the need for spamming those healing spells is lessened with his support. One thing I should've noted; I never used my monk heroes from the crystal desert onward in Tyria, haven't attempted the Canthan island as of yet, and Istan in generally wasn't very difficult. The only time I've used my monk heroes in an 8 man situation was Istan where there was only one monk henchmen available for use. As such, in the 6 man zones, LoD doesn't prove to be highly effective; if the bars are dropping that quickly a wipe is emminent.

The bars worked where I needed them to, otherwise the henchmen filled the monk roles enough to get the job done (so far anyway

).

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Ele

Were I to play with another human using SF, I would consider making the change. Liquid Flame, Fireball, and Phoenix supported by Mind Blast's energy returns work well as the only ele in the group.

Sun Fired Blank · Jun 02, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

I've managed to come up with a decent hero setup for every area that I've vanquished except for Tasca's Demise. Has anyone found a hero / henchman combination that quickly deals with that area? I managed to clear it after much pain, but I haven't figured out a hero setup that deals with the selection of dwarves because their skill selection is completely abusive on hard mode, and there are several very large groups that can't be pulled apart.

Racthoh · Jun 03, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Sun Fired Blank

I've managed to come up with a decent hero setup for every area that I've vanquished except for Tasca's Demise. Has anyone found a hero / henchman combination that quickly deals with that area? I managed to clear it after much pain, but I haven't figured out a hero setup that deals with the selection of dwarves because their skill selection is completely abusive on hard mode, and there are several very large groups that can't be pulled apart.

You can do a funny pull on that really large group of stone summit (think it's around 10 of them with at least two dolyak masters) and get them all stuck against a wall. You have to pull them our of their little gathering hole, and run back to the entrance to the citadel. When the group breaks aggro, they should be stuck on the mound of snow.

If I'm thinking of the same group as you.

Evilsod · Jun 03, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I always prefered to just make Morgahn pure Motivation/Leadership. In the end he spends half his time casting chants anyway, so you might aswell make him just spend all his time doing it with increased benefits. Usually give him Major Motiv/Leadership for 15 Motiv/14 Leader.

To kill large mobs of Dolyaks/Stone Summit. Traps + SF eles + MM. When doing it with 2 friends (so more SF eles) the entire mob w/ 3 Dolyaks died in about 15-20 seconds.

MMs i've gone back to using Flesh Golem and a load of melee. I might change to OoU but i'm not sure i trust heros to use it without suiciding. I give him Dark Bond anyway, had several party wipes where MoW survived just because they couldn't get through Dark Bond ^^

Why do you use Signet of Return? I would've thought Norgu would've been more use given something that Fast Cast actually effects, i tend to stick with Restore Life and give him Mantra of Recovery with some general Dom/Interrupts. Hex heavy areas he gets Shatter Hex/Hex Eater Vortex to play with, made Flesh Golems and Drakes (w/ Ward against Harm) in Perdition Rock a complete joke.

ArKaiN · Jun 03, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

If an elite skill reads "The party gains 8 energy. You lose 20 a second for the next 10 seconds." I'm not using it, ever. No , not on heroes, not on me, not on minipets, not in anything.

ZenRgy · Jun 04, 2007, 01:24 AM // 01:24

I like [skill]"Never Surrender!"[/skill][skill]"Never Give Up!"[/skill] and [skill]"Stand Your Ground!"[/skill]

Over the ballads/arias, the command line is still very useful.

-.- · Jun 04, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

If an elite skill reads "The party gains 8 energy. You lose 20 a second for the next 10 seconds." I'm not using it, ever. No , not on heroes, not on me, not on minipets, not in anything.

You're thinking health-wise, energy-wise...it's different. For energy, each pip is 1 energy for each 3 seconds.

Racthoh · Jun 04, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Why do you use Signet of Return? I would've thought Norgu would've been more use given something that Fast Cast actually effects, i tend to stick with Restore Life and give him Mantra of Recovery with some general Dom/Interrupts. Hex heavy areas he gets Shatter Hex/Hex Eater Vortex to play with, made Flesh Golems and Drakes (w/ Ward against Harm) in Perdition Rock a complete joke.

In his first version, I had him constantly loaded with Cautery Signet so the only option for a hard res was to have Signet of Return. I should probably make the change to restore life or res chant, something along those lines instead of just being too lazy to change his secondary.

Nightfall was the first time I've ever had the option to play the MM role since I've never played my necromancer all that much (the variety of PvE builds isn't too interesting, and never thought of something myself that was fun). So coming into the role I actually had a choice on elites to toy with, and I've heard a lot of negative feedback on the usefulness of the golem. Before the SR nerf, I was using Icy Viens, Toxic Chill, and in the event I'm on NM I go to using Reaper's Mark to make up for the energy cap. The bar I've given him doesn't require him to do much but make minions and keep himself alive, and with all the extra energy floating around might as well give him something to do right? From what I've seen of MM's using OoU, it's hell being the monk to heal all that. Use vampiric horrors for all the monks out there.

As I tend to use that paragon for monking, my health wouldn't be below 75% (high health and a shield offhand so the AI doesn't go for me first heehee) but I would be the one who needs the energy. The ballad/arias benefit the whole party regardless, and I haven't tried the command shouts to see how effective the AI handles them. Granted there are some areas where the +health regen from Never Surrender! would be very useful.

Batou of Nine · Jun 04, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

The half-range/touch isn't so much of a concern since I always bring along a full team capable of doing their job from a range. The only one who can't be hit as a result is myself, but I'm rarely the first one to start dropping because I carry the highest armour level. Razah drops Union for a party wide Shielding Hands, and Shelter for a party wide Protective Spirit; the need for spamming those healing spells is lessened with his support. One thing I should've noted; I never used my monk heroes from the crystal desert onward in Tyria, haven't attempted the Canthan island as of yet, and Istan in generally wasn't very difficult. The only time I've used my monk heroes in an 8 man situation was Istan where there was only one monk henchmen available for use. As such, in the 6 man zones, LoD doesn't prove to be highly effective; if the bars are dropping that quickly a wipe is emminent.

The bars worked where I needed them to, otherwise the henchmen filled the monk roles enough to get the job done (so far anyway

).

Mmm, ya. No wonder those monk bars are doing ok, you really havent done anything too hard with them (at least from what i gathered from waht you mentioned above). All normal mode? Tyria NM = easy, Istan NM = very easy. My bars and suggestions were more in terms of when in heavy pressure in Hard Mode, or simply harder normal mode areas like Realm of Torment, Desolation, Fire Islands, Eternal Grove and beyond, etc.

If you HAVE tried in those hard situations, then i guess it works for ya! Otherwise, i would say in my humble opinion, those bars couldn't/wouldn't be able to handle too much pressure, even with Razah's protective spirits....

Anywhoo, just some clarification on what my suggestions were in regards too. hehe. Still nice write-up!

cheers.

Evilsod · Jun 04, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Whats your point? I never use my monk heros in 8 man areas if i get access to 2 monks. I've succesfully vanquished Dreadnought/Lornars with Alesia and Lina (or is it Mhenlo from DWC... forgot). You get much more from heros if you use them offensively, the offensive capabilities of heros far surpass the capabilities of the hench. While the healing capabilities obviously do too, you get much further by killing things more effectively than hoping to survive them for longer.

Course this only applies to Hero/Hench teams. But unless i desperately need a bonder i'm leaving the hero monks at home.

Solus Spartan · Jun 04, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Whats your point? I never use my monk heros in 8 man areas if i get access to 2 monks. I've succesfully vanquished Dreadnought/Lornars with Alesia and Lina (or is it Mhenlo from DWC... forgot). You get much more from heros if you use them offensively, the offensive capabilities of heros far surpass the capabilities of the hench. While the healing capabilities obviously do too, you get much further by killing things more effectively than hoping to survive them for longer.

Course this only applies to Hero/Hench teams. But unless i desperately need a bonder i'm leaving the hero monks at home.

/Agree. Hero mosts have terrible A.I